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  4. I voted, but not for Trump nor Hilary. My state didn’t vote for Trump, but he won. I’m not angry, just worried and nervous. Oh, and fuck all those people who voted for Harambe in a situation like this.

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  7. Stealing to share on FB for myself and my friends/family. And I’d like to assure our fellow earthlings that despite the election, not all of us are *insert expletive-laden wordings of your choice here*

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  8. I’m trying to take comfort in a scene from “Mistress Pat” by L.M. Montgomery, after the Pat’s family has found out her brother Sid eloped with the worst kind of person, May Binnie:

    “Pat pulled up the blind again. There was a little chill at her heart which had never been there before and which she felt would always be there henceforth. But afar the Hill of the Mist was lovely in the September sunshine. When she looked at it it gave her some of its own pride and calm and faint austerity.

    She went up to see mother after she had had her breakfast and found her, as always, serene and clear and pale, like a star seen through the rifts of storm-cloud.

    “Darling, it’s hard, I know. I’m sorry for Sid . . . he has made a great mistake, poor boy. But if we all do our best things will work out somehow. They always do.”

    Poor brave darling mother!

    “We’ll be all right when we get our second wind,” said Pat staunchly. “I’m going to be decent to May, Mother, and there won’t be any bickering . . . I won’t have that here. But [our home] is going to be saved from the Binnies, Mother, and no mistake about it.”

    Mother laughed.

    “Trust you for that, Pat.” “

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  9. Fuck this. The middle class will not exist anymore as of today. It’s sad when an ignorant tear with no political experience can win a presidential election.

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  10. What am I? The only Trump supporter on the blog? I’m glad he won. Now this divisiveness can end. I start supporting Trump and people want to think me evil one, when I’m just pointing out stuff I’ve heard.

    Now, I’m going to tell you a story. I know two little girls who were molested, and were never the same again. I won’t tell you their names, but I will tell you this. Their lives were ruined by pedophiles, so if I tend to hate them with a passion reserved for racists and murderers, know there is a reason. Both of them were under seven, which is about where I think Mouse’s daughter is, that’s why I wished her well. I don’t want her life ruined. And when you’re presented with someone with ties to a pedophile ring, yea, I tend to shun them pretty hard.

    You can hate me for being a Trump supporter, but if it can be proved, in a court of law, that Hillary does indeed have said ties to pedophiles, I’ll never darken this blog again. There’s some things you don’t joke about, they’re just too deplorable a topic for humor.

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      1. First of all, she lied.
        http://www.inquisitr.com/3692292/donald-trump-rape-accuser-katie-johnson-lied-she-was-not-sexually-assaulted-by-trump-at-age-13-report/

        For Killary, well…. Remember she got one pedophile off the hook, knowing he did it, and brags about it.

        http://www.activistpost.com/2016/01/hillary-clinton-brags-about-getting-a-pedophile-off-the-hook.html

        Then you got these…

        http://truthfeed.com/breaking-clinton-foundation-tied-to-convicted-child-trafficker-laura-silsby-media-silent/34146/

        http://eaglerising.com/38210/wikileaks-more-clues-that-tie-clintonspodesta-to-child-prostitution-ring/

        http://www.usapoliticstoday.com/oh-god-pure-horror-clinton-emails-linked-political-pedophile-sex-ring/

        You can call it propaganda all you want, but the idea has to come from somewhere.

        Now, before everyone starts attacking me, let me remind you, I reserve judgement until the trial is over and will respect the trial’s outcome. Innocent until proven guilty!

      3. And on Killary, https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.inquisitr.com/3682274/hillary-clintons-alleged-lolita-child-pedophile-sex-slave-island-ring-scandal-5th-of-november-part-1-claims-by-anonymous/&ved=0ahUKEwj5lJ-loZzQAhUBXSYKHUIWB40QFggaMAA&usg=AFQjCNFcmQLkns69mwV_33y1_iOkpyVz8g&sig2=XR5v9h8nDN2DEPz1jbf_Sg

        https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.usapoliticstoday.com/oh-god-pure-horror-clinton-emails-linked-political-pedophile-sex-ring/&ved=0ahUKEwj5lJ-loZzQAhUBXSYKHUIWB40QFgg1MAk&usg=AFQjCNGL4Ftp-KMd-jvuCpdu4N69rYDWLA&sig2=NeRRmoqk7mYM4iYl3sU4Jw

        To those who think I do nothing but spew hate and bigotry, I ask this. Who is calling whom the names? I’m asking for truth, and getting slandered. Look in a mirror for the bigot

      4. Not a single person has called you any names. You, however, referred to Hillary as “Killary” twice.

      5. How about this little gem of sarcasm?

        Scorpio on November 6, 2016 at 3:50 am
        Aw shucks Mouse, looks like we’re going to have to pack it in.

        Knight is completely right, it’s just not proper to make jokes about shitty things that exist and effect people in real life. As we all know, comedy can’t be cathartic to our dreadful existence, it can only exist as a means of a mild amusement. And you know he’s serious, because he brought up Mouse’s daughter, when there was nothing to warrant doing so, and indirectly shaming him on his moral foundation. Then again, Knight did close out on positing that Hilary Clinton will be breaking ground for World War III, so perhaps he is the true comedic genius here after all.

        Or this?

        Katherine on November 6, 2016 at 1:39 pm
        These are some very very crazy accusations and I promise you none of them are true. But if you believe them, you shouldn’t vote for Clinton. I wish for you the ability to distinguish between news and propaganda and to let go of paranoia.

      7. Scorpio has inferred that I’m completely without character, lacking in morals, and an idiot. I’m a 90s kid, sarcasm was a second language back then.

        Katherine has inferred that I’m crazy, and lack the ability to think for myself, ie, an ignoramus. Just because they don’t say it directly doesn’t mean it wasn’t said.

      8. Knight you were talking about your sources.

        “You can call it propaganda all you want, but the idea has to come from somewhere.”

        Yes it does come from somewhere. From someone’s mind. I’ve spent weeks debunking stories from various sources starting with both sides but towards the end more focusing on the alt-right “news” because they are the worst offenders of truth I have seen in a very long time. Half of the sites you mentioned I’ve seen basically just make shit up. That’s it. Occasionally they use some facts but always in service to the ideology. Right wing politics come first, truth is subservient.

      9. Famous Rob, they asked, I provided. End of story. But you also illustrated my point. This post started with qwirkyproductions, moved on to Lobo, and now you. Now do you see how I feel attacked?

        “I’ve spent weeks debunking stories from various sources starting with both sides…”

        Well, House was right about everyone lying. But to say one side is worse than the other? Where are your sources? How does one fact check the four nuclear response time when it’s a highly classified secret? Well?

      11. Knight. Glad you went with the 4-minute nuclear response time. That one was one of the easier stories to debunk. First thing, I wouldn’t need to check the time itself. That wasn’t the part that is contentious. The first question I asked was “Did she really say that?” The answer was yes. I watched her do it in the debate. The second question I asked was “Was it really a highly-classified secret?” No, it not. Or if it is, it is the worst-kept classified secret out there. There are too many places where you can find that out and more. Most of them predating the debate. The next question. “Are the people who wrote these things misinformed or willfully deceptive? That I cannot say. But there are enough of these little discrepancies that add up over time to make really doubt anything I see in the “alt-right’ news.

    2. I’m with you, Knight. And I’m glad someone here said it. I voted for Trump. So did my husband. And so did my father. So did most of the people we know. I’m glad he won! It’s time to end the divisions and move on.

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      1. Yay! A fellow deplorable, let’s hug these Hillary supporters because I think they want to cry.

    3. Yes, the guy who literally built out a platform out of building a wall will unify the country. That makes perfect sense.

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      1. That wall isn’t happening, not a literal wall anyway, it would be a waste of money and resources and I’m sure Congress knows it.

      1. I sent him one link on the Trump rape case, and several others on the Hillary charges. Mouse must have to moderate them or something.

      3. “Besides, I’m at work and not allowed to sit on my phone like some people”

        To clarify, you’ve got time to make wild accusations, tell melodramatic, underbelly-pandering stories about childrape and celebrate with a political comrade, but not to back it all up? Because unlike any of us, you are a hard working, responsible person? Come off it, man.

    5. Knight, I don’t care whoever you might choose to support politically; you are entitled to that opinion.

      All I ask is that you don’t resort to hysterics or moral superiority when doing so, as well as having the good taste to not bring up Mouse’s fucking personal life just to drive your own point home.

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    7. You’re not alone there. As long as he doesn’t do something completely stupid like nuke people or building that goddamn wall, I’ll be fine with it.

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    8. Now this divisiveness can end.

      I hope you are not really that naive. The divisiveness in America will only get worse. It’s already started:

      http://usuncut.com/news/trump-supporters-brutally-attack-gay-man-california/
      http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2016/11/09/racist-pro-trump-graffiti-maple-grove/
      http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2016/11/09/disruptive-trump-supporters-removed-from-wellesley-campus/nPKSh9mpedkNWjxjGCvdvN/story.html
      http://time.com/4565532/racist-graffiti-donald-trump-philadelphia/
      http://www.kob.com/albuquerque-news/graffiti-with-donald-trump-nazi-and-fascist-references-appears-on-university-of-new-mexico-campus-tagging-vandalism/4313894/
      http://qz.com/833607/us-election-a-rash-of-racist-attacks-have-broken-out-in-the-us-after-donald-trumps-victory/

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      1. Ok. That does it. Gram Pol, you are a hypocrite. A few bad apples make news and you think ALL Trump supporters are bad? How about what’s going on in Los Angeles, Portland, Seattle, Kansas City, New York, Chicago, Philadelphia, Richmond, Atlanta, Dallas, Omaha, Baltimore, and Oakland? Democrats are rioting in the streets because they lost a legal election.

        Where’s my apology?

      3. They are (by and large) exercising their constitutional right to protest. Some violence has resulted, yes, but the vast majority of these are peaceful.

      2. Sorry! Though I feel like the text of the link should’ve been a give away. 😉 And the fact that I linked it on this horrible thread.

  11. Clinton is a corrupt war-monger. The DNC fielded a candidate nobody wanted and now act surprised when nobody bothers to vote for her.

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  12. I love how people treated the idea of Trump getting elected like a joke, like ‘nah that’ll never happen, don’t be silly!’ There are some eerie parallels to Hitler there, and it just goes to show that evil people in power should always be taken seriously no matter how stupid, or comical they are.

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    1. That’s exactly what happened between Hugo Chavez and us, and over seventeen years no one’s done a single thing about it or bothered to learn a single thing from it.

      And here we are now.

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  16. The main reason I didn’t want Trump to win was Pence. =/
    However bad Trump is, Pence is a literal caricature of everything people hate about the Republican Party.

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      1. Funny, I know I posted an immediate qwirkyproductions, and then a second one after Siluce said I should respond, but neither of those posts show up. I was wondering if it were the multiple links they contained.

  20. I was a poll worker yesterday, the ranking one in my precinct because I hadn’t stepped out of the way quickly enough. It was a tremendously hectic day, from 6AM to 10PM; massive turnout (which in LA County meant overwhelmingly Latino and Asian-American), very early start, voters coming in all through the day. My team and I worked ourselves practically until we were asleep on our feet, and then I droveve the ballots and the supplies to the district center and drop off the team member who had accompanied the ballots.

    For me the very act of enabling the vote–fairly, with transparency and integrity, according to the rule of law–was a rebuke to the Orange Blunderfuhrer and all that he stood for. The sleep deprivation, dehydration, exhaustion were all worthwhile because it was in the service of the democratic process and the ideals that I believed in.

    Imagine my immense frustration at the end of day that the US still ended up with the man who vocally and unthinking opposes all of that–worse, holds them in contempt.

    I think I’ve gone through the stages of grief already; a sleepless night is a lot of time to think. (93F day in November, 70+F at 2AM, and we still elect the ones who have pledged to close their eyes to global warming. GJ, America.) Now comes the time to dig the second line of resistance, to defend in depth those ideals of fairness and equality, whether in the courts or in the legislature or on the goddamned streets. We have two months to put child-proof locks on all the levers and apparatuses of power that Trump might abuse, two months to organize and defend against the fascists. It’ll be a long, hard four years.

    It’ll be worthwhile, because those ideals are worth fighting for.

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  21. For me, the best thing to do right now is stick together and not dwell too hard on what happened.

    It sucks, everyone knows, but as of right now, people have to be focusing on their own lives as well as others and start getting ready for what’s to come. People can’t be staying enemies forever as this country will continue to crumble if this keeps going.

    Nobody’s going to agree on everything, some morals can and will be questioned, and some compromises will have to be made.

    We need to stick together and get through this shit.

    I say that as an American, not a Republican nor a Democrat.

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  23. For me, the best thing to do right now is stick together, keep our heads, and think about our own lives as well as others and not dwell so hard on what happened.

    Yes, it really sucks this turned out to be shit candidate vs shit candidate fiasco, but there’s nothing anyone can do about it at this point and if people keep setting divisions for themselves and others, this country will continue to crumble.

    Not everyone will agree or disagree on everything, morals will be questioned, and compromises will be made but we can’t kill ourselves over it, verbally or physically.

    We need to stick together and get through this shit.

    I say that as an American who wants this country to keep moving toward a brighter future, not a Republican nor a Democrat.

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  24. Honestly one of the most gut wrenching parts of today has been seeing my favorite creators, people I love and admire, utterly heartbroken by this election. Mouse, you’ve written some of the most convincing and well thought out political commentary I’ve ever seen and given me so much joy through this horrendous cycle. Thank you and don’t let our election get you down.

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  25. Thank you Mr. Sharpson. This was the first thing I looked at after the results came in, the first comforting words I had read that night. It’s good to know we’re not alone in the world.

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  26. I’m sorry, Knight, but some things we know for sure is that Trump said he’d kill THE FAMILIES of ISIS members, so rapist or not, he’s probably going to kill a lot of innocent children who are about the age of Mouse’s daughter. He’s also made it clear that he won’t do anything about climate change because he doesn’t believe in it, and that’s going to have devastating consequences for Mouse’s descendants if his family tree goes long enough. And he plans to destroy ObamaCare, which means plenty of American parents will lose their health insurance, which makes it more likely that many children will lose their parents if said parents need life-saving surgeries that they can’t afford. I’m not saying Clinton’s a saint, but there’s plenty of policies from both candidates that would harm innocent people including innocent children. Your implication of being morally superior and the rest of us being pro-pedophile isn’t warranted. Besides, I can use emotionally intense stories to shame people too. Someone I know and deeply care about recently cried because she’s afraid her LGBT friends will die from “reparative therapy” if Pence is influential within the Trump Administration.

    Still, I’m sorry if you’ve been attacked unfairly. Some of us just feel so strongly that Trump is more dangerous and that his victory means more harm to innocent people and a worse future for this country. But I’m sure you feel the same about Clinton, and it’s not like either of them are morally decent people. Most of the country didn’t vote or caucus in the primaries this year, and that cost the rest of us by handing us two really shitty choices. I wish the best for you. *virtual hug*

    And for everyone else, as sad as I was when Sanders lost the Democratic nomination and as depressed and dejected as I was when Trump won this election, our country’s weathered worse storms. For a long time, it seemed like human slavery would be legal forever in this country, but it wasn’t. Then there was the threat that Nazism might spread across the world, but it didn’t. And even after slavery had been illegal for a long time, many African-Americans probably thought their race would never be given the vote, but it did. Or that segregation would never end. But it did. And nobody could know for sure how long those disasters would last or if they’d ever end. We know for sure that we won’t have to deal with Trump longer than eight years, and we maybe not even longer than four. Don’t give in to hopelessness and despair!

    And I’ve found that if when you’re feeling anxious and scared, as I was for the next day after the election results came in, taking a walk outside can help. Focus on something pleasant about your surroundings during the walk, like the sounds of crickets chirping at night, or the pretty colors of the trees, or whatever else you can think of. Do some activity that’s pleasant and simple and think back to what it was like to be innocent during your childhood. Or try meditation. This book is good: https://www.amazon.com/Mindfulness-Eight-Week-Finding-Peace-Frantic-ebook/dp/B005NJ2T1G

    At least, those are the things that help me. Maybe something else will help you better. *virtual hugs for everyone*.

    And hey, we’ve got funny things to look forward to, like Mouse’s review of “Captain America: The Winter Soldier”, right?

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    1. qwirkyproductions, in case you missed what Scorpio and Amelia told me, leave the daughter out of it, though I haven’t heard word one about it from Mouse. In the South, we usually make an argument like mine in a last ditch effort to make someone see reason. Same argument we get from Liberal Commies all the time about saving the Earth. “Leave the planet green!” I try to ask him who he wants overseeing his daughters future and everyone thinks I wish the tyke evil. Did they not catch what I said about seeing evil visited on girls before and how I get a little psycho when faced with it?

      As far as the killing of families, you’d have to take that up with UN, whom I’m sure would love to prosecute Trump for war crimes if he ordered something like that. Again, there are laws you can’t circumvent just because you are president, though it seems like it at times. So I’m sure the kiddies of ISIS members are safe as long as they aren’t strapped full of bombs or trying to shoot at our soldiers. Plus, our soldiers shouldn’t even carry out the murder of innocent civilians, there are laws against that too. Laws our soldiers should be ready to stand up and defend.

      Obamacare needs to be gutted. Since not all states have exchanges, which you may or may not know, not everyone has easy access to medical care. And don’t let the rhetoric of everyone’s covered fool you. My sister-in-law was denied coverage, why I don’t know. My mom was denied coverage because of her insulin dependent diabetes. Denied coverage and because of that mandatory need for it now, she has to pay. Well, it can kiss my grits because it needs to go. Can’t afford vehicle insurance? Don’t get a vehicle, or just don’t drive it until you can. Can’t afford or get approved for medical insurance? Tough shit according to Obamacare.

      Trump isn’t gutting it to destroy it. He’s replacing it. Read this: https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/healthcare-reform

      He’s trying to find a better way than saying you have to have health insurance or we’ll fine you for not having it. And about needing life-saving surgery and can’t afford it? IF, and I stress that word, IF it is a life saving surgery that is required, the hospital has to perform it regardless of whether or not you can pay for it. That is FEDERAL LAW, and has been for 20 years.

      I’m kind of used to being attacked, but not by so many. That’s why they call me Knight. I’ve been a valiant defender of what’s right for years. Got into more than a few fights that way. Oh well, at least I stand for something.

      Hey, while we got some camaraderie going, how about starting this for a law. Five years prison for printing, reporting, or otherwise knowingly distributing false information as truth. Sounds harsh, yes, but if you don’t give them an incentive to report the truth ALWAYS, they will report whatever sensationalist bull gets them ratings. I want the truth, even if that truth doesn’t agree with my world view. I can accept it.

      Not everyone has to agree with everyone. We should get along though. *virtual hug*

      I feel bad Sanders lost too, I voted for him in the caucus, (Registered Democrat and have been since 2003) but I couldn’t get behind Hillary. 33,000 missing emails, a private server that wasn’t properly secured, and not knowing what the “C” meant. Shouldn’t that have been a red flag for her? “Hey, what’s the “C” for? Classified, oh okay. I thought that meant copy.

      Well, lets see what Trump brings in BEFORE we sharpen the stake for his head.

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      1. Oh, and according to my dad who brought this up, because of Obamacare he has to pay his copays before he can get help. He’s on disability, as he too went to insulin dependancy and can no longer drive. So he has very little money to begin with, and where the doctor used to see him, take the 80% and be satisfied, the doctor now has to sic the bill collectors on my dad for that other 20% even though he’s on disability and they can’t touch his check. People need to live more, talk with the old folks, find out what’s going on. Figure out where we’re being screwed. Make sure to keep some lube handy for those emergency situations, those are murder.

      2. As far as the killing of families, you’d have to take that up with UN, whom I’m sure would love to prosecute Trump for war crimes if he ordered something like that. Again, there are laws you can’t circumvent just because you are president, though it seems like it at times.”

        Then why hasn’t the UN prosecuted Bush and Cheney for all the people they tortured?

        “Plus, our soldiers shouldn’t even carry out the murder of innocent civilians, there are laws against that too. Laws our soldiers should be ready to stand up and defend.”

        America’s drone operators have violated those laws many times.

        “Since not all states have exchanges, which you may or may not know, not everyone has easy access to medical care. And don’t let the rhetoric of everyone’s covered fool you. My sister-in-law was denied coverage, why I don’t know. My mom was denied coverage because of her insulin dependent diabetes. Denied coverage and because of that mandatory need for it now, she has to pay. Well, it can kiss my grits because it needs to go. Can’t afford vehicle insurance? Don’t get a vehicle, or just don’t drive it until you can. Can’t afford or get approved for medical insurance? Tough shit according to Obamacare.”

        Nevertheless, the Medicaid expansion under ObamaCare has saved lives.

        http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMsa1202099

        “And about needing life-saving surgery and can’t afford it? IF, and I stress that word, IF it is a life saving surgery that is required, the hospital has to perform it regardless of whether or not you can pay for it. That is FEDERAL LAW, and has been for 20 years.”

        Then how do people die from not having health insurance?

        Click to access health-insurance-and-mortality-in-US-adults.pdf

        “I’m kind of used to being attacked, but not by so many. That’s why they call me Knight. I’ve been a valiant defender of what’s right for years. Got into more than a few fights that way. Oh well, at least I stand for something.”

        Again, I’m sorry so many of us have attacked you. I’m pretty sure it’s nothing personal. It comes from a place of being worried about the country and scared shitless of Trump.

        “Hey, while we got some camaraderie going, how about starting this for a law. Five years prison for printing, reporting, or otherwise knowingly distributing false information as truth. Sounds harsh, yes, but if you don’t give them an incentive to report the truth ALWAYS, they will report whatever sensationalist bull gets them ratings. I want the truth, even if that truth doesn’t agree with my world view. I can accept it.”

        I don’t like the slippery slope that could set up, especially since it’s not always going to be easy to tell who’s deliberately lying and who’s making a mistake.

        “Not everyone has to agree with everyone. We should get along though. *virtual hug*

        I feel bad Sanders lost too, I voted for him in the caucus, (Registered Democrat and have been since 2003) but I couldn’t get behind Hillary. 33,000 missing emails, a private server that wasn’t properly secured, and not knowing what the “C” meant. Shouldn’t that have been a red flag for her? “Hey, what’s the “C” for? Classified, oh okay. I thought that meant copy.”

        Well, I’m glad we can agree on something.

        “Well, lets see what Trump brings in BEFORE we sharpen the stake for his head.”

        My stake sharpening is based solely on what HE SAYS he’ll bring.

      3. Knight. I’m not going to argue with you, because there’s nothing I can say that you haven’t already spat incoherent vitriol at. I tried to tell you that your comment was in poor taste in a manner that I thought would lighten the mood. Now I’m just going to tell it straight. That was a crappy thing to say. By all means, reference your own family members. Feel free to use questions like ‘what if it was your child?’ to make your point. But when you mention rape and the child of your host in the same sentence, it doesn’t make people see reason; it makes them see red. Especially on a global forum where none of us actually know each other. You said it to make us imagine a specific child in a terrible situation. You said that on her dad’s blog. Along with it comes the implication that not supporting Trump amounts to consciously handing his kid over to… I’m honestly too disgusted even to spell it out. Mate, you done goofed. I know you won’t apologise, because you clearly think we’re in the wrong by calling out your tasteless allusion. But that’s how it looks from where I’m sitting.

      4. “Think of that, and ask whom you want in charge of your daughter’s future. I hope she grows up to be beautiful and smart, in a world of peace, but the first step is the center, the moral center, must hold. Check the various news outlets, check the facts, don’t assume a story you read or hear as news is automatically true. Do some Google searches on Hillary’s lies, and ask yourself if you’d want her in charge of your daughter’s future.”

        That was the original post where I referenced Mouse’s daughter. Where did I mention rape? Check it again. No? Good, because it didn’t happen. I also said this.

        “You can hate me for being a Trump supporter, but if it can be proved, in a court of law, that Hillary does indeed have said ties to pedophiles, I’ll never darken this blog again. There’s some things you don’t joke about, they’re just too deplorable a topic for humor.”

        That’s how much I hate pedophiles and those that protect them. Now, the one person I would expect to take me to task for impugning his daughter’s virtue has remained silent.

        Now, where’s my apology?

      5. “Both of them were under seven, which is where Mouse’s daughter is.”

        Keep your opinions. They’re obviously just as personally important to you as ours are to us. But spare a thought for the guy providing you with a forum for those opinions.

      6. How in the hell do you get me wishing harm on a little girl from that? Its comparing ages, not histories. I’ve wished nothing but the best for the girl.

      7. “Then why hasn’t the UN prosecuted Bush and Cheney for all the people they tortured?”

        No idea, not my department. To file a grievance, please contact the UN here: http://www.un.org/en/contact-us/

        “America’s drone operators have violated those laws many times.”

        Well, either they have or they haven’t. Since they haven’t been charged, that I know of, I’m inclined to say the innocents harmed weren’t the target. Still, to file a grievance, please contact the US Attorney General’s Office here: https://www.justice.gov/contact-us

        “Nevertheless, the Medicaid expansion under ObamaCare has saved lives. and “Then how do people die from not having health insurance?”

        Read the article provided from the New England Journal of Medicine, and find only two flaws in it.

        1. The article explicitly states that it’s first five years of testing is from 1997 through 2002 as years reviewed BEFORE the expansion, and 2002 through 2007 as the years reviewed AFTER the expansion. This does not cover the ACA(Obamacare) as it wasn’t signed into law until March 23rd, 2010.

        2. The article also does not differentiate between a man who was saved by preventative medicine, and a man who was saved because he knew he was sick and could afford the care he needed. To me, its a vital difference.

        “Again, I’m sorry so many of us have attacked you. I’m pretty sure it’s nothing personal. It comes from a place of being worried about the country and scared shitless of Trump.”

        Understand that, but understand this. As scared as you are of Trump, so am I scared of Hillary. That rhetoric goes both ways.

        “I don’t like the slippery slope that could set up, especially since it’s not always going to be easy to tell who’s deliberately lying and who’s making a mistake.”

        Simple, same thing I’ve been after since y’all attacked me on it in the previous Mouse post titled, “A reason to vote you may not have considered…” Since then, I’ve asked others to post their sources, and they haven’t. I’ve made a habit of it.

        “My stake sharpening is based solely on what HE SAYS he’ll bring.”

        Okay, what if he brings only good things? A man can say whatever he wants, its the Freedom of Speech, already had a similar argument with Lobo over the Freedom of Assembly.

        Personally, I think everyone needs to calm down. I wasn’t happy when Obama won the first time, let alone him winning the second time. But I didn’t whine and complain, I lived with it. You’ll survive Trump, just like I survived Obama.

      8. Knight, I never wished any ill will upon you, I merely disagreed with your opinions and the way you chose to express them. I don’t believe Trump’s election will bring about the end of days, nor do I think Hillary being elected would have done the same either; that seems to be the reaction with every election cycle nowadays, and it only seems to reinforce the hostile binary political climate of this country. I could joke about it, saying I know now how my father felt when Reagan was elected (I actually asked him about this, and he clarified it feels more akin to him when Bush was reelected in 2004), but 1980 was arguably a more tumultuous time than now. I used sarcasm in my response in Mouse’s previous posting in reaction to what I perceived as an outrageous reaction on your end. Furthermore, I also disagree with your clarifications over where you grew up–in your words, the South–and when you grew up–the 90’s–as defenses over how you chose to argue your opinion.

        Who knows, perhaps Trump will in fact be a better leader than Hillary would, we’ll now never know. You obviously had a strong opposition to her based on her admittedly questionable past, and very little new events or defenses would change your opinion on her being an unfit and unscrupulous leader. Well, while I must admit not to be as well-read as you appear to be, I also had the same reaction to Trump. Right from his opening pitch of his campaign I had a red flag go off in my head, and everything that came about with the rest of his campaign did little to dissuade my opinion on that, even as Hillary became the other choice (Though, like most people, I would have much greatly preferred Bernie. Hell, if someone else like Marco Rubio got the Republican vote against Bernie, perhaps we could have gotten a more civil and thoughtful debate from our potential new leaders). That’s why I loved Mouse’s “Not Trump ’16” piece from before, as it perfectly reflected my feelings at the time.

        At present, all we can do is wait and see how things turn out; at the moment, my biggest concern is that some of the more hateful things Trump has said as part of his campaign will help to indirectly legitimize pre-existing prejudices. For now, while I may disagree with you and those who share your opinions, I do not wish to talk down or belittle anymore, as I feel it would only further the partisan divide among Americans that has partly made this past year feel thoroughly exhausting, the same fervor that George goddamn Washington warned against all the way back when this whole thing started.

      1. Who said all? I said most. You’re the one telling us not to judge groups of people by a few bad apples (and we’re not, by the way, the concern is not that ALL Trump supporters are racist, sexist, xenophobic, etc., but that a large enough number are that it’s legitimately terrifying). And please don’t make me show you pictures of the protests that went on after Obama was elected, I’d rather not post pictures of hate speech on this blog.

  27. Y’wanna know what the worst part about all this is? The bloody waiting.

    There’s two months before Trump sets foot inside the White House, and once he gets inside, even his worst possible decisions will probably take years to be fully realized. It’ll be a death by inches for the people he/his supporters are after, not a quick, painless lop.

    Which, on the bright side, is more opportunity to escape or fight back…

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  28. It’s kinda unsettling how Zootopia was one of the most watched movies in America during the last year, and yet apparently the majority of those who watched it didn’t get the f***ing message at all. Did they leave the movie theater having learned anything at all but ‘Boy, bunnies sure are cute!’

    Is the average American really that much of a Homer J. Simpson?

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  29. Mouse, need to ask you a serious question here. Amelia and Scorpio both seem to think I’ve stepped over the line and wished harm on your little one. I’d like to think me and you are both man enough that if we were having a disagreement or a difference of opinion we would talk about it. So I ask you this.

    Do you think I actually wished harm to your little one with recent posts I made?

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      1. Alright then, fair enough.

        I am sorry Mouse, for bringing your daughter into this. I wish you would have stated any displeasure with me before now, but I do apologize.

  30. It’s kinda unsettling how Zootopia was one of the most watched movies in America during the last year, and yet apparently the majority of those who watched it didn’t get the f***ing message at all. Did they leave the movie theater having learned anything at all but ‘Boy, bunnies sure are cute!’

    Is the average American really that much of a Homer J. Simpson?”

    To be fair, I’m not so sure that all or even most Trump voters agree with his bigotry. A lot of them probably support his protectionist policies. Or, to put in another way for those who’ve seen “Zootopia” or don’t mind a SPOILER; if you used to work in a factory in Zootopia before your job was shipped over seas and Mayor Bellweather says she’ll tax the foreign made goods until your job is brought back, she probably seems pretty appealing to you, even if you disagree with her predatorphobia.

    Plus, most Americans hate standard Washington politicians and Hillary Clinton fits into that category very snugly.

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  31. “Well said. We’ll make a Republican of you yet!”

    Not likely. The Republicans would have to stop being the party of bigotry, science denial and general insanity first. Just because I think there are good EXPLANATIONS for why non-bigots would vote for Trump doesn’t mean I think voting for him was a good idea.

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  32. You know, I’m pretty disappointed in the left for carrying out with these violent protests/riots as well as doing a lot of hyperbolic fear mongering because they think the media was giving them all the facts about the candidates.

    Also do these people expect to get any ground with a regular joe if they say if you voted for Trump, you are automatically a rascist, xenophobic, KKK loving, bigot especially when they fail to come to the realistic conclusion that blacks, white women, Mexican and Muslim immigrants probably voted for Trump as well? It gets especially sad when these people start throwing around “self racist” or “self sexist.”

    I get not every left person feels this way but this kind of stupid temper tantrum name calling can’t keep going on or the left are going to continue to lose support and relevance from any regular person.

    Honestly, if these left think assasinating Trump is going to solve ALL of their problems then perhaps humans are about as naive and stupid as Loki says.

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    1. No rational person thinks assassinating Trump would solve anything. Hell, it might make things worse because Mike Pence is ALSO a truly awful human being.

      What the left wants is someone who doesn’t use racist, sexist, xenophobic language and policies in office. Which right now means they want Hillary Clinton, who is going to end up winning the popular vote by more than 2 million votes, in office.

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      1. Hillary isn’t going to come into office because of a petition.

        Trump won the presidency like any other president before him.

        People complaining about an electoral college right after a candidate they don’t like gets elected BY THE PEOPLE is just absurd.

        Right now, it sounds more like the left just want someone to keep them safe in their bubbles instead of facing reality.

      2. People have been complaining about the Electoral College for years. It’s shit. It needs to go. Donald Trump was elected by the EC, NOT by the people. The people elected Hillary Clinton by a 2 million plus vote margin.

      3. So we should let the people in the big cities lord over everyone else? Look at the County map again. Republicans won so many that the running joke now is we got better coverage than Verizon. Check the number of people living in the big cities against those that live in, say Oklahoma or Arkansas. According to the NYC.gov website, in 2015 the population of NYC alone is 8.5 million. The population of Arkansas at the same time was just under 3 million. So, why should NYC lord it over Arkansas. They are a city, we are a state. That’s why we built the Electoral college. They get more votes, but if all of the small states stand together, like we did this last time, we can challenge the big cities. That’s the purpose of the Electoral College. Balance. Just like the House of Representatives and the US Senate.

      4. I give up. There’s no point in debating this with you if you can’t even understand the very basic reasons why the Electoral College is bad for democracy.

  33. Scorpio, *sighs* I get a bit defensive when I have multiple people saying I’m wrong because I have an opinion. I respect that you prefer Hillary. Please respect that I prefer Trump. We held an election where we all chose our candidate. This election decided everything to me. If Hillary had won, you wouldn’t see me on here moping about, I wouldn’t be out in the street protesting. I’d just keep on living. All I ask is that people do the same.

    For the record, I don’t understand sarcasm very well. I’m actually kind of literal. Sorry about overreacting. I didn’t get the joke. But we also have differences in how we choose to express ourselves. Some do it through jokes, some of us like to make arguments. But people also need to grow a pair and realize that the world doesn’t revolve around them. I don’t start and pick fights just because I don’t like the way they choose to fight. I understand they have a way of talking, and move on. How I am supposed to have offended anyone with my regards to Mouse still eludes me, but me and Mouse have come to terms with it.

    For me, it’s a matter of trust. Deleting and destroying “evidence” is the act of a criminal. Why does anyone want the added expense of running a private server than using a provided email account. You ever price a server? Just a rental? It adds up, and that doesn’t include maintenance and security that running a classified server would need. Hillary would have been in violation of the law if anyone sent her classified information to that account, so why run the risk? Even with the best of intentions, it has serious consequences.
    http://www.military.com/daily-news/2015/12/02/decision-force-out-marine-who-sent-warning-ahead-attack-upheld.html

    I liked the Not Trump joke too, but face facts. Hillary lost, Trump won, it’s time to move on. We still have a world to run here. We can’t argue over every little thing. Time to grow up.

    And speak the name of a Founding Father with some respect, please. He’s earned it.

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    1. I suppose that’s the “very literal” part of you that’s reacting to that last statement of yours. In certain contexts, throwing an expletive in the middle of someone’s name is meant to be a term of endearment, to sell home their revered legacy. That was my intention with the Washington gib.

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    3. Since my husband actually works for a company that provides bare metal and cloud servers, I can tell you that the prices are fairly reasonable, as in a lot of the people working for that company can afford to maintain one and still eat and pay bills.

      Now, on the subject of Hillary and the emails, ect:
      This is kind of a touchy subject. My dad was in the AF and my husband worked as a NASA contractor for five years, and I can assure you that if one day they had decided, willy-nilly, to inappropriately disseminate classified information, very serious men in uniforms would have paid a visit to our house, followed by a lengthy stay in a fabulous, all bills paid, federal penitentiary, where sunlight would be piped in on alternate Sundays.

      From what I have been able to gather from various reporting sources (the washington post, CNN), the problem seems to have been that the information in those emails was retroactively classified, making both the handling of them difficult (I mean, what the hell ARE you supposed to do if an email you responded to becomes classified six weeks later? I’ve never worked for the government, so I don’t know), and the reporting on those issues difficult as well. If you’re testifying before a televised congressional oversight committee on classified information, circumspection becomes necessary and subsequently frustrating for C-SPAN viewers at home, who understand something has happened but no one can spell out just what has happened. This isn’t an excuse for mismanagement of data, just an acknowledgment that this is a complex subject.

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      1. Ok, fair point. But as Secretary of State, WHY weren’t they properly classifed? Shouldn’t she have known? Or is she that incompetent?

      3. This journalist is an idiot. The following is a list of cases he has made of why Hillary was unfit, and also where he contradicts himself in his own story.

        ” Namely, she told her top aides to just email her at her personal address so she could keep using whichever devices she wanted. This violated an internal State Department policy directive, known as a Foreign Affairs Manual, which stated that while it was okay to use personal digital devices to do work occasionally, “normal day-to-day operations” should be conducted on standard State Department equipment. Clinton chose to ignore this guideline and because she was the boss nobody could stop her.”

        “When Hillary tried the eminently sensible “I was following precedent” defense, Politifact dinged her answer as “mostly false” on the grounds that while Powell did use a personal email account, he didn’t use a private email server.”

        “But legally speaking, this is completely irrelevant. As the State Department inspector general concluded in its report on Clinton’s conduct, the guideline Clinton violated was a principle that “normal day-to-day operations should be conducted on an authorized Automated Information System. Using a private server violates that rule, but so would using a Gmail address or simply checking your State.gov email address from your personal laptop rather than a Department-issue one.”

        “According to the Inspector General’s report, Clinton “should have preserved any Federal records she created and received on her personal account by printing and filing those records with the related files in the Office of the Secretary.”

        “It’s precisely because nothing about the basic setup of the email account was in any way wrong that the investigation ended up focusing on the question of mishandling classified information.

        This legal analysis is important because it makes it clear that even if the Weiner laptop emails aren’t simply client-side copies of the exact emails the FBI already has, there is essentially no chance it will change the ultimate verdict. The reason Clinton isn’t getting locked up is that there was no malign intent. Finding another email with classified information on it won’t change that conclusion.”

        Please look up Major Jason Brezler, USMC. He used a phone to send an email to his friend to save lives and was still charged with mishandling classified information. Under this last paragraph, he shouldn’t have been charged at all. Either there is one standard, or no standard.

        https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2016/07/07/marines-defense-for-disseminating-classified-information-will-cite-hillary-clintons-case/

      1. Most definitely. We need to get away from all this divisiveness. A man should be allowed to have his own opinion, even if others think it is wrong. Also, going to need new armor. This set looks like swiss cheese, and my back plate is just gone. Maybe I should upgrade…

  34. Alone I wandered, outcast and reviled,
    Far from my home, in the woods so wild.
    My rep was gone, my fame it was scattered,
    None left cared, my whole life had been shattered.

    A howl was my warning, a long solo note,
    the others picked up the call, squashing my hope.
    Around me they were, eyes glowing bright,
    My luck was all gone, no escape in sight.

    The alpha, he charged, teeth flashing white,
    The beta behind him, filling my sight.
    The others did swarm, taking me to ground
    that was there undoing, a stick I had found.

    I fought them all back, regaining my feet,
    considering their size, no easy feat.
    The alpha then came, seized the stick in my hand,
    snapped it in two, just like I had planned.

    The end was now sharp, and I thrust like a knife,
    into the alpha’s strong heart, right through his hide.
    The others did circle, their gaze it did linger,
    as I faced them all down, just like a leader.

    The pack it did follow, and I led them all bravely,
    Names I did give them, just like a small family.
    My second was Death, his mate I called Pyre,
    Then came Chaos, Plague, Famine and Fire.

    More I did have, then ever I could keep,
    who followed their noses, and took to the trees.
    Together we killed, and hides I did take,
    hauled them all over, keep my body in shape.

    While winter was coming, and litters abound,
    I took all the hides, and there I sat down.
    and the Dogs of War, gathered by my log,
    and I took a new name, just call me Wardog!

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  35. Didn’t post at the time, just wanted to say this quote is particularly apt. I was disappointed, but not really surprised since I live in the South and get to see the hatred up close and personal–just hoped sanity might be able to hold out. And the hell is only just beginning. It’s going to be a long 4 years, but no good person will fall in line with Trump. Evil should be denounced at every opportunity. Clearly the majority of the media and the Republican Party aren’t going to do it–the media is making gangbusters off this disgrace and Republicans are excited at the chance to openly oppress all the minorities they hate again.

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    1. I voted for Bernie Sanders in the primary and Clinton in the general election, and I don’t deny a lot of hateful people voted Trump. But Tartarus, not all Trump voters are hateful or insane. Some voted for Trump because they honestly thought he’d be better for their economic future. CNN even talked to some of those people.

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  36. The majority of exit polls showed that Hillary was the preferred candidate on the subject of the economy. She lost on the topics of terrorism and immigration (ie, hatred of Muslims and Latinos invigorated up by Trump). And for those (few, imo) who did vote for him based on the economy–am I supposed to have respect for someone who was able to decide none of the other reasons why Trump was disgusting mattered because of that one issue? Like his lack of experience, his deliberate ignorance of reality/facts, his adoration for and traitorous ties with Russia, his rampant racism and misogyny, his lack of any sense of professionalism or empathy, his commitment to torture and desire to bomb his enemies, etc. Am I supposed to think that, yeah, all those things are awful, most of them immoral, and all nigh irredeemable to have in our president, but I shouldn’t think badly of those who voted for him because….the economy (which improved under Obama)….

    I just hope those who voted for him get just as f***ed as the minorities *they* were fine–ecstatic, even–with screwing over. And with Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid likely to be gutted, Goldman Sachs in charge of the treasury, and an anti-science/pro-big business man dismantling the EPA, that looks incredibly likely at this point.

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